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 Post subject: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:23 pm 
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i have a integra ls with a b18b
how many hp would i get if i install this parts in my car..

aem cold air intake
skunk 2 pro series intake manifold
DC sports headers 4-1
skunk2 mega power cat back exhaust
aem cam gears


i hope i can get atleast 160 hp
tell me what u think

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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:27 am 
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Yeah you'll get close to 160hp. From the looks of it you're going for top end power. If so save some money & get a sri instead of the cai. I hope you're least planning on also raising your redline, cams & rod bolts to take advantage of the IM & rev higher safely.

**Edit: Personally I wouldn't put a 4-1 header or aftermarket IM on a stock ls engine & ls tranny


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:04 pm 
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im sorry but you wont get very close to 160,
if your block is still strong we will give you the benifit of the doubt that you have 140 CRANK hp
so around 115 whp
the cold air intake would be WAY better than a short ram, for starters we will say you get 3-5 whp from that,
intake manifold maybe 8 whp
header maybe 4 whp, and 4 to 1 is better for high rpm dragracing
the exhaust will allow you to get that 4 whp
and cam gears maybe another 2-3 with a very good tune
so your looking at around 130-135 to the wheels..maybe more maybe less,
i would not raise your redline cause your cams stop making power at stock redline
and right now theres no need for rod bolts,
now a set of cams will help you feel these bolt ons, but you would also need, possibly valve springs and retainers, good cam gears and a dyno tune to get the best results, and to really feel that cam your gonna want pistons rod and head bolts and bl bla bla so on and so forth,

gsr or b16 trans would be a very good investment, and stock ls heads dont flow for kaka maybe a cheap pnp if you can afford it


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:22 am 
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the first thing to change is that DC header they are shit get a replica itr one or a rage nack off they are prett cheap now u can fine good deal on then on honda tech market place to hit those numbers u want pistons jdm p30 will do the trick on they fit ls rods and get arp rod bolts a must then get a set of 403/404 cams with those cam gears just make sure u get the five bolt ones the 3 bolt seam to slip and move that stuff with a gsr or b16 trns will give u a all motor monster but that is just my 2 cents

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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:09 am 
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lolvtec wrote:
im sorry but you wont get very close to 160,
if your block is still strong we will give you the benifit of the doubt that you have 140 CRANK hp
so around 115 whp
the cold air intake would be WAY better than a short ram, for starters we will say you get 3-5 whp from that,
intake manifold maybe 8 whp
header maybe 4 whp, and 4 to 1 is better for high rpm dragracing
the exhaust will allow you to get that 4 whp
and cam gears maybe another 2-3 with a very good tune
so your looking at around 130-135 to the wheels..maybe more maybe less,
i would not raise your redline cause your cams stop making power at stock redline
and right now theres no need for rod bolts,
now a set of cams will help you feel these bolt ons, but you would also need, possibly valve springs and retainers, good cam gears and a dyno tune to get the best results, and to really feel that cam your gonna want pistons rod and head bolts and bl bla bla so on and so forth,

gsr or b16 trans would be a very good investment, and stock ls heads dont flow for kaka maybe a cheap pnp if you can afford it



Yes he will get close to 160hp, you even said that he'll get 130-135whp. There's about a 15% loss in power through the manuel drivetrain (160hp x .85= 136whp). Just because you fallout of your power band doesn't mean you're accelerating slower, it's called torque multiplication. There is a point that you will start to be slower in the lower gear. But the only way to find out is to get a dyno & make a thrust curve, this way you can find out what rpm you need to shift at.

**Edit-think of a sri & cai as 2 straws, straw A is 6" long while straw B is 24" long. Using these straws try drinking a cup of water as fast as you can. Now which one is more restrictive?


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:23 pm 
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i agree with you totally except on the intake,
i did assume he wanted 160 wheel horse power tho,

on the sri a cai i wished i had a cold air because with the short ram your sucking up the hot engine bay air, making the air charge alot less dense making alot less air and fuel to burn, because your iat sensor will read the hotter charge and send less fuel to keep from running rich, if you had a cold air you get just that, an air charge at least 10-15 degrees cooler than in your engine bay, i cant remember were i read it but i read somewere for every 20 degrees colder your air charge is you get x horse power, ya thats not much to be had but you want all you can get,

but anywho i did assume he wanted wheel hp not crank, ive just always stated my goals in whp, but he should be somewere near that goal anyways,


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:13 pm 
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There's less than a 10 deg. difference in temp. between outside temp & engine bay temp when the vehicle is in motion. Every 11 degrees equals 1hp(.85whp). A cai will create something called an aem hump at about 4000rpm, but the only time you'll land on the aem hump during wot is on the upshift from 1st->2nd on a ls or gsr tranny. If you have crappy tires this may cause wheel spin when you upshift to 2nd. But in the end it comes down to what length & diameter best suites your power band & if your willing to pay $100 to get less than 1hp by having colder air.


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:12 pm 
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all in all get a GOOD dyno tune.....bolt ons will do no good without a proper tune

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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:17 pm 
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redxiii wrote:
There's less than a 10 deg. difference in temp. between outside temp & engine bay temp when the vehicle is in motion. Every 11 degrees equals 1hp(.85whp). A cai will create something called an aem hump at about 4000rpm, but the only time you'll land on the aem hump during wot is on the upshift from 1st->2nd on a ls or gsr tranny. If you have crappy tires this may cause wheel spin when you upshift to 2nd. But in the end it comes down to what length & diameter best suites your power band & if your willing to pay $100 to get less than 1hp by having colder air.


good to know,ive never had a real cold air to broke, but this is good info, how would you be able to tell what exact size diameter and what not would be good for what ever setup? and i guess one horsepower will never be enough to really worry about just curious..

and ya its all about the tune..


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:19 am 
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Wow redxiii is dropping jewels info flyin everywhere, I'm taking notes.

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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:12 am 
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All in all an intake is just an intake, & the way I see it there are people that have money to put into this hobby & people that don't. If your like me & money is tight I would just get a sri with a velocity stack & put money on other more important parts. Now if you have money to spend on the intake I would go with the comptech cai it gives you a wide power band but that's if your welling to spend money on it.


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:08 am 
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anything good about the arc intake or is it just show?


lol i like how this thread turned into a intake discussion..
and just another random question, why does it seem that this forum is kinda dead?
im new here so maybe im just not seeing the activity,


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:24 pm 
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lolvtec wrote:
anything good about the arc intake or is it just show?


lol i like how this thread turned into a intake discussion..
and just another random question, why does it seem that this forum is kinda dead?
im new here so maybe im just not seeing the activity,


That usually what happens when people ask what do I get If I add this, this & this..lol...But yeah we all have to learn by asking questions & doing some research, hell I'm still learning new stuff all the time.

Here's a discussion on the arc air box
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/displ ... age=Search


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:33 pm 
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so mostly its for looks..lol


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:45 pm 
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there is no way you'll get 160. i got one 142 with this b20 build (It was tuned by one of the best tuner on the east coat)

b20z
forged pistons 11:1
crower 403s w/ springs and retainers
Aem v2 intake
2 1/4 exhaust (cat delete)
DC sports type r exhaust manifold (i know they suck, but they were the right price)
68mm tb
skunk2 intake man
rc 370cc injectors
Aem fuel rail and pressure regulator (i know they don't make hp)
competition stage 2 clutch
competition 12lb flywheel


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 Post subject: Re: upgrading my car
PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:51 am 
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Yes he'll get close to 160hp.

power loss through drivetrain 15%
Stock ls:
142hp/121whp

Avg. ls with bolt ons i/h/c/e
153hp/130whp

Also your car is making 142whp/167hp


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