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 Post subject: Integragator N/A B18B1 7sec 8th mile
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:54 am 
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This is a work in progress, Its a 96 Integra LS w/ a B18B1.

So far...

Gutted Car, total weight: 2380 w/ driver
17" Enkeis w/ Yoko Parada spc2
Custom springs w/ stock shocks
Poly Motor Mounts, Bushings all around
Stock Motor Internals
Custom Intake, Venom Injectors (peak/hold), FPR, Unorthodox Single Pully kit, MSD SCI Ignition w/o rev control, Blaster3, Cap/Rotor/Wires/Iridiumplugs,
SAFC II, DC 4-1 Header/Gutted Cat/Custom 2.5"-CherryBomb-2.25" Custom Side Exit Exhaust.
Short Shifter, Omni Quick Clutch, Fidanza 7.5lb Flywheel, Exedy stage 1 clutch kit.

Best E/T at 8th mile: 8.7 @ 64mph

Comming Soon:
SRP Pistons 11:1
Crower Stage 3 Cams and Springs/Retainers
Ferrea Valves w/ valve job
Skunk Manifold and TB
Hondata S300

I want to build this car w/ around 200 hp to the wheels and run a mid 7 in the 8th. I should be done with the project in March or so. Ill keep this updated the best that I can as I go along, and I will get some pictures up fairly soon.

If you have any questions or advice its welcome and much apreceated.


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200 hp N/A on an LS? Good luck. Keep us updated.

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Yeah I was wondering the same myself...stage 2s with that much of a goal of whp? hmm :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Integragator N/A B18B1 7sec 8th mile
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Integragator wrote:
Best E/T at 8th mile: 8.7 @ 64mph


What was your best 60' with the current setup . . . unless its a 1.9 or 2.0 i can't see you doing a mid 7 in the 1/8th . . . i have a buddy that did a 7.73 @ 96.9mph in the 1/8th but he was on slicks and ~400 hp boosted . . . with a 1.9 60'

it'll take too much power i believe . . . but please prove me wrong if you can

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Pics please....Lovin' the builds.... 8)

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go with at least 11.5cr and some meaner cams then you might achieve your goal.
but good luck nonetheless.

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Well as far as the 180-200 hp part I am leaning more twards the 180 end, and as far as reaching that goal, I think its possible, theres gonna be extra special care being taken into the sealing of the chambers and port angles n such, I'm doing alot of research and my goal is to do it w/ the piston/cam setup. I guess I'm looking for the challenge. I think the main factor in my goal is going to be the Hondata. Playing w/ fuel pressure and intake.
Also the weight reduction, I've got more planned and this thing should be able to pull off an incredible 60' time. I hope lol. Like I said this is awork in progress, things may change but as I said I'll keep you updated


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I would recommend compression closer to 13.0:1 and a set of Crower 405 cams. You can actually run a setup like that on the street (and pump gas) without a crappy bottom end power curve if you tune things well. I've seen dyno charts for B18Bs with 404 cams and only 11.5:1 compression make 175whp and be fatter than an ITR's power curve before AND after VTEC running on pump gas. Go more aggressive (cams, compression) + factor in your extra displacement and you can definitely get closer to 200whp instead of your 180whp.

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Well, Like I said, tuning w/ the hondata is gonna be a main factor in the power curve. And I want to try to do it w/ the 403's for the sheer challenge. I may change the compression to 11 but no higher than that, I havent ordered the pistons yet or the cams. But ill keep you guys posted on the build.

Also fellas let me know if you want detailed pictures of the build, so I know if I have to take alot of pics or not. If u guys dont thats fine with me, I havent torn down the engine yet and I'm going to be posting more pictures on TeamIntegra.com since we cant directly upload pics in here yet, I'll get the link up as soon as I get more pics.


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Honestly, I don't think you should really care about challenge or not in making your power goal. Yes, it's going to be more difficult to make power on the 403s and the lower compression, but if you haven't bought the parts yet- why cripple yourself up front? The higher compression pistons and more aggressive cams won't cost any more than the ones you have picked out already, and you can still run them on pump gas. Just get the bigger stuff for the same price and go for a higher power goal, then challenge yourself by tuning closer to the edge and by being savvy enough with the timing maps to make good power down low too.

All of my B engines ran well over 12.0 compression, and they were all able to run on 92 octane gas. I used 93, but 92 didn't make them ping at all.

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Go big- the pistons and cams cost the same as the lower compression and less aggressive ones.

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Wow, people are really hatin, lol I can definately see where you guys are comming from. One thing I have been contemlating on w/ the choice of cams/pistons is the drivability. I dont want to have this thing sound/feel like it's going to die at idle.
I also like the low end of this motor. I am changing the safc over to a s300. I wanted to play around w/ the s300 to pull out the numbers from the setup. And I have a question Nathan... Why do you say the DC wont be up to the task? I have yet to understand the issue w/ it. I mean a different header might pull 1 or 2 more HP from it but my exhaust flows really well, and seems to have alot more room, I almost think I'm losing HP from it b/c of the flow n such. But i'm hoping the cams/pistons are going to correct that for me.

Keep the feed back comming guys. I REALLY apreceate it. If you guys can convince me that higher stage stuff wont make the idle shitty I might take ur advice, but thanx again guys.


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Exactly dude, see this is why I wanted to go w/ the 403's, because I figured the same w/ the huge cam lobes on the 404/5. I want to be able to drive it.
And I guess I should change the heading on this thing cuz I really wanted to shoot for the 180 end of the goal, it would be cool to get higher but as time has passed im agreeing w/ you guys. However what about keeping the 403's and going w/ a little bit higher comp of say 11.7:1? I was looking at those and was thinking that they might not have any more potential than a 10.5:1 when paired w/ the 403.
thoughts on that would be apreceated. Cuz I do want to be able to drive this thing around town when i want to and not tear it apart as I do.

Thanx for all the input.

I'll be getting pictures posted on teamintegra's website here in a day or two. and i'll post a link on here seeing as we cant directly upload pics yet.
And by the way, this car Is a sleeper no flashy stickers or anything. But I got ur stickers in the mail today and I have to say its going to be the only badge on the car. Thanks alot.


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You can run higher compression into the 11s and be fine. Hell, the ITR uses 11.0:1 compression, and the Celica GT-S runs 11.5 on pump gas. You'll be fine if you trim the fuel and timing well.

As far as drivability, you can get the 404s or 405s to idle. It won't be that bad. A smooth idle may be a little higher, but that's ok. ;)

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Well thats good to hear, I guess I'll try going w/ the 404s and some 11's and shoot for a higher goal.
I apreceate the input alot. I'll keep you guys updated as I go along.


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You'll be fine with 404s. Just tune it really well. Here are a few links that might help:

Honda-Tech thread on 404 idle:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1807969

404 idle video (linked in above thread):
http://media.putfile.com/idle-58

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awesome dude I apreceate the links, that gives me a little more confidence. And I didn't realize it until now, but I live near your shop over in Mansfield. Do you guys do hondata tuning? I was gonna go to Alamo seeing as they're the only ones i can find in my area tha do hondata, but they're expensive as shit. I've never had the priviledge of having dyno tuning by a pro so i dunno if $150/hr is decent or not. just seems a little steep. Hit me up w/ some info.


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Mansfield? It's not actually my shop- I've just spent enough money there to put a kid through a nice college, that's all. They're good friends too. ;)

Just call over there and ask to talk to Phillip- say that Michael Yu sent you. He does tune Hondata among other things, so you won't have any problems with a nice high compression setup and some 404s.

More:

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=555246

There's also a dyno chart on HondaSwap that shows a B18B making more power through the entire power band than a B18C5, but I can't seem to find it right now.

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I think this is by far one of the best most technical threads i've read in all of nonvtec's life.

thanks calesta and the rest of your guys for adding very valuable informaiton. some shit i didnt know, some i did.

and to the op, no one was hating.

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Wow. You're welcome, but this is hardly technical at all to me.

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